Today, we get to do ski jumps without jumps, and ski jumps with jumps. Ski jumps without jumps, in some ways isn't very interesting. Here's ski jumps without jumps. We have two lines here. Left, this is left's piece, left moves right, one space every turn. Right moves left one space every turn. Now what happens? If left goes first, well actually, we can do this with a board here. Here's left and here's right. So, left moves, this is not very interesting because there's no choice for anything. Right moves, left moves, right moves, left moves, right moves, left moves, right moves. Left doesn't have a new move. You can't jump off, off, off, off the side. Right has now moved, so left though, was the first person that had no moves. Let's try that again. Let's do that real quick. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Left turn, left has no moves. So, if left goes first, left loses. Now, in exactly the same way, if right goes first, right, right is the dime down here. Right goes first, left moves right. Left, right, left, right. Left, right has no moves here. Right loses. So, whoever moves first loses. This says that this game is zero. So, ski jumps without jumps is not very interesting. So, let's look at ski jumps with jumps. Alright. What's the, the deal here? Here's the deal. Left starts over here, right starts over here. Now the additional rule and the way the board is set up, only left can do this. But you could, you could move the board like this and only right could do it. So, so what happens if, if the pieces ever like this with left on top of right, and left instead of moving right can jump over Left down to here. Now, that doesn't remove the, the, you jump over your opponent, your opponent doesn't disappear, it just stays there, but this allows you an additional option that the penny here can jump down to here or move to the right whenever they're lined up exactly like this. Now let's play it. Again for many of the moves, there aren't very many choices. So, let's look at left first. Left moves there, right moves here. Left moves here, right moves here. Now what's the best left move? The best left move is to jump at this point. Right moves left. Left moves right. Right moves left. Left moves right. Now right has no move, right loses. So, if left goes first, left wins. Let's do the other one. If right goes first, there is, there's never any chance to jump. And now it's right's turn. Right has no move, so right loses. So left wins going first, and left wins going second. So in the ski jumps with jumps, left always wins, that says is positive. Now with a little bit of work you can show, and try this yourself. That, that if we play ski jumps with jumps and we allow right an extra move, here's, and this is minus 1. It allows, right, one extra move. Then, whoever moves first loses. If left moves first, left loses. If right moves first, right loses. Basically, what happens is the same thing as before. But you play in here. And, and, when, when right gets stuck at the end, right has an additional move over here in this game. So that, that's how that works out. So, so what we have for ski jumps with jumps, is there's this gain, this somewhere in between 0, and 1. And the interesting problem, which you might want to think about, is where is it in there? Can we say it's, it's closer to 0, is it closer to 1? What's going on? We'll eventually answer that.