'What's Up' From "Surrender" 4-10-98 Thousand Oaks, CA Q: What's up, Bashar? B: Many things are up, many things are down, many things are sideways, front and back. How are you? Q: Great. B: All right, thank you. Q: The surrender thing has been the biggest thing in the last 6 months. B: Yes, all right, very good. Q: Especially in the last week, my mantra has been surrender, surrender, surrender. B: Yes, this will accelerate and it will need to accelerate for many of you; for again, as we have been saying for quite some time, there isn't much time left in terms of the idea of really going into the flow and into the stream of the realities you say you prefer. This, in many ways, is one of the last pieces of the tools that are required. This concept of surrender that we have saved, in a sense, until last is, as we have said, the most important. So, many of you will find that to be the most important thing, the most important focus now in your understanding of personal transformation and growth. Yes, continue. Q: Like all the other tools, led us back to where it was even perceived as tools, the only true tools. B: Yes, we had to build, well, now, not that they are not all true, but we had to build a ladder for you that was composed as rungs that would go from where you are familiar to where you are unfamiliar and, thus, then you can make the transition in a familiar way, step by step, rung by rung. Rather than simply have started off fifteen years ago by saying, "All right, let's get right to the end, surrender," none of you would have understood what that meant. But in giving you the pieces and the other tools, now, some of you have a better idea, a better understanding of what it means to surrender. Because you can understand, finally, that as powerful as many of the other tools can be, this is the MOST powerful, because it is the simplest. And now you are finally, many of you, finally, getting to the point where you are actually willing to let it be all right to be that easy. Part of the reason we had to give you many other tools was actually to, finally, let you, over time, decide that you didn't need so many tools. You understand? This is the paradox of the process. And so.... Q: In my investigation. B: Yes. Q: Into surrender. B: Yes. Q: I found, and this is my phenomenal experience, within my body-mind stream is that.... B: Yes. Q: the only thing that keeps God separate from God, in the illusion or in the physical reality stream, is actually bringing some sense of separation or some sense of darkness or some sense of.... B: Yes. Q: What ever THAT is? B: Yes, and not that that is not a valid experience, of course. Q: Exactly. B: All right. Q: And my concern, well concern.... maybe this is a mind stream fear coming up, but it feels like...that the ultimate surrender to give THAT up, to give that, that...there's that one grain of sand that caused the pearl to be created. B: Yes. Q: To give that final thing up means that I would wake up, back to the I Am, back to the One and then, of course, I would be alone again, and then would have to come up with something else to get the phenomena of creation to start again. B: Well, how fascinating. What an interesting idea and perspective you have. What you are experiencing is still mostly a personality perspective, even though you are discussing ideas of the One and the I Am. You are still putting a personality spin on it and that's why it feels, in a sense, like something to fear. Q: Well, also because my perspective is from the outside of the I AM and not from the inside. Once you're inside, of course, there's nothing to fear because you're everything, you're THAT. B: All right. Q: And, I mean, that's my perception, you can correct me freely.... B: There's nothing to correct, but it is up to you to choose which perspective your prefer. Q: Yea, maybe I'm not ready to give up creation, physicality.... B: Oh well, all right, well, that's your choice but the idea is that you don't have to give up physicality for the type of surrender that we're talking about. You will still choose to remain physical. That is simply a different choice. Q: But how can that be? Because.... B: Because I'm not talking about the idea in those terms, I'm not talking about you simply becoming one with the I Am in that way. We are talking about the fact that even as, even as the part of the whole that you are, you are still a reflection of the whole. And the idea is that you can experience the event of your wholeness, even as a part, when you surrender to the wholeness. You can still experience the wholeness as a part. Q: I understand, if, if.... B: Yes. Q: If you're God. B: And you are too. Q: Yes, of course. B: Yes. Q: The God, lets say, before there was time and space, just the Isness, there is no.... B: There's no before, but I understand what you are saying. Q: Exactly, the Eternal moment. B: Yes. Q: The Prime Radiant, before it intersected with itself. B: So to speak. Q: Yes. B: These are all conventions because we are using words. Q: Exactly. B: All right. Q: And words do not describe it, but can describe around it. B: All right, fair enough. Q: And you know what? I forget, totally, about what I was going to ask. Audience: (Laughter) B: Good, now you are enlightened. Q: That's it, I just let it go and leave it.... B: In a sense, yes. Q: There's.... B: Ought. Q: There is just the fragment, the one fragment that I would like to clarify from your perspective. B: Yes. Q: If ultimately we give up all of our fear, all of our pain, and all of our unworthiness or whatever, which is all illusion anyway, if we are willing to surrender that, then what's going to keep us separate from ourselves, as far as the experience goes? B: Choice, choice, you still have that choice. It is not a given, it is not a forgone conclusion that giving up all your pain and suffering and struggle means that you cannot still choose to experience yourself, in any way, shape or form you so desire, relative to the whole. Q: But once you learn how to walk, you don't want to crawl anymore, so all your friends.... B: But what you are understanding, because you're not there yet, is that there are many forms of walking. Because you are not there yet, because you are not allowing yourself to experience the kind of surrender yet, totally, that we are talking about. You have not yet given yourself the experience to understand that once you do that there are still many forms of experiencing that kind, that level of surrender. It isn't just one result that happens. There's still many things that exist, even within that level of surrender. It is still very, very multidimensional and very varied, but it is still of a type of reality. It is more simply the idea of a big step up, but not necessarily all the way because you are surrendering from a particular point of view and that point of view you will not probably choose to give up, the overall point of view. Does this make any sense to you? Q: Yes. B: Are you sure? Q: Yes, I don't want to take up the forum here for a half hour. B: Oh well, you're not and besides which, we are the determiner of the timing, so don't worry about it. You follow me? Q: Yes. B: What you call God is everyone, and everyone does not experience the same God because everyone is not the same. But everyone who is not the same, makes up the same God. Do you follow that? Q: Everyone that wakes up, are the same God. B: Yes, but you are forgetting that it is this AND that, not this or that Q: You always say that. B: Yes, and, therefore, when you wake up and understand that it is all one, you understand, simultaneously, that it is also everything, and you experience both, not just one or the other. It's not an issue of one or the other. Q: How can you experience both unless you are willing to give up the I AM perspective? You have to, in order to experience the other. B: But when you give up the I AM, paradoxically, you experience the I Am and everything, that's the paradox. Q: So when you experience the I AM, you experience both? Is that what you are saying? B: Yes. Q: How can that be? How can that.... B: You will find out. When you have a coin in your hand, do you not experience both sides, do you not experience both the heads and the tails? Q: I'm perceiving the coin and, from the coin's perspective, there's not both. B: Never mind, the coin is your perspective, because you're creating the coin. Do not get lost in your semantics. When you have a coin, do you not have both heads and tails? Otherwise, if you didn't, you wouldn't have a coin, would you? Q: No. B: Well, then, why is it so mysterious that you can experience both? Q: You describing a third density example.... B: Don't put semantics on it, it is the same concept. Q: I'll have faith and trust it. B: You don't have to have faith when you let go, you'll find out from experience that it's so. Q2: Isn't it a state a knowingness about what you are? B: Yes. Q2: That you can feel connected to that all the time. B: You are that all the time. You don't feel that connected all the time, you ARE that, and you are this and you are everything that you can think of. But the idea is still that we are talking about a level of you experiencing that you are unlimited possibilities, but from within a certain contextual framework because that which you are choosing to experience, your I Amness is right now. You are coming from an assumption that once you let go of the personality that you're going to want, in a sense, to not have any recognition of what you are calling separation. That is a falsehood, because as you expand to become more aware of the one and the many, you will want more experience of the separation that is created, as well as, more experience of the oneness and you will be able to experience both. Q: There's the fear that I will end up back in the paradigm that I'm in now, though. B: Well, then you must be choosing that reality, for some reason that you invented. That's the only thing the fear would be. Q: Do you know what I saying though? B: Yes, I do. Q: I don't want to fall back asleep again and then.... B: All right, but again, remember, at this stage in your evolution, all of you, there is no concept of falling back. Again the analogy would be like being on one mountain peak and saying that somehow you can fall to the other mountain peak. You can't do it, you have to choose to go to the other mountain peak. You can't fall back onto another mountain peak, it's a different reality, it's a different point of view, completely and utterly. This notion that you can fall back is something that you are simply holding on to for your own reason. Probably, again, mostly because, as you say, you are afraid. But you have created a circular reality experience then; your fear is generating the idea that you can fall back, the idea that you can fall back is generating the fear. Break the cycle by knowing that you have generated it to begin with and that any other idea that you allow yourself to believe is true, will be just as experientially real as the cycle that you find yourself in right now. Does this make sense to you? Q: Yes, I will come back at the end if there is some time, and if everybody else has had a chance. B: All right, you and then you. Number two, do you know who you are? Q: Yes, I do. B: All right, number one, good day.