Jesus Said:
13 January 86
II of III


 Questioners:  Bashar.  Bashar.  Bashar.

 B:  All right.  You. Then you; then you.

Q:  Will you tell me about yourself?  This is my first time here.

B:  What do you wish to know?

Q:  I'm not really sure who you are.  Are what you are.

B:    All right.  Recognize that we consider ourselves, on a level you
would be able to perceive us physically, to be beings similar to your
own species, though different.  We will be an average five feet of
height in your counting; approximate coloration: white/whitish-grey skin
tone.  We will be defined, in the features that you understand upon your
planet, more closely to the idea you call Mongolian, though different.  You
will notice that we will have very large upturned eyes.  We will have a
simplification of our features and will
be relatively slender in your terms.
     In other senses, we are connected to the consciousness of your
world.  We are our own civilization, but we are connected.  We are a
part of the same overall consciousness that forms your world, our world,
and a civilization round about the star you know as Sirius.  We are, by
being allowed by you to assist in the transformation that is taking place
upon your world, in very many ways the idea of your future selves, while we
are at the same time our own civilization.  We are being allowed to be of
assistance to you by blending, by reflecting to you the idea of the
blending of all the levels of your consciousness, by the blending of
polarity within you--positive/negative, male /female--
within every individual upon your planet.
    We are being allowed by you to be of assistance in the understanding of
certain aspects of all the blending of consciousness as you make the
transformation from third to fourth reality.. · that is simply the idea
that you are becoming more aware of more of yourself.  We are reflections
for you; while we are our own society, we are parallel to yours.  We are
not better than you; we are not more than you.  We are simply different
from you, expressing ourselves as we see fit to express the idea of our
facet of All That Is that we recognize ourselves to be.  You are expressing
yourselves in your own way; and now as you enlarge your idea of yourselves,
you begin to include the idea that there can be other civilizations.  Thus
we are allowed to communicate with you in the manner in which we are
communicating at this time.
    Recognize that face-to-face encounter will be something that will
take place within your near future; but as of now it will be relatively
restricted, because not everyone in your society wishes this idea.  For
to wish this idea is to wish the idea of coming into action with the
totality of your consciousness, and all portions of your personality,
both positive and negative, and allowing yourselves to equalize this
idea. And for many individuals on your planet this is something you are not
yet comfortable with.
     Therefore, when your society allows itself to be equal to every
other idea, and equal to our civilization and any possible civilization
they could encounter, we will be able to meet with you an equal terms.
But not until you are equal.  We do not want to be feared; we do not to
be deified.  We want to be with you, sharing in equality.  As we perceive
your time of the entire society, we will.  But this is up to you: it is
your choice.  We will not interfere; and it is up to you to allow
yourselves to choose the reality wherein it contains the idea of
interacting with other civilizations or not.  It is up to you.  We will
abide by whatever you choose.  Will this have answered your question, or do
you wish more specifics?

Q:  Uh...I'm confused?

B:   All right, very good!  To be confused is to unlock yourself from one
idea of reality, disorient yourself, and reorient yourself to another idea
of yourself.  Con-fusion, co-fusion: fusion with the idea of more of
yourself.  So if what I say confuses you, in a sense you are allowing
yourself to grasp it on other levels as well as just your physiological.
You are beginning to blend your communication with different levels of your
consciousness.
   Now, the idea of your confusion can be positively used by you.  Allow
yourself to simply clarify within yourself what it is you wish to
identify within yourself with regard to the symbol we reflect to you.
What is it you specifically wish to know?


(Pause) I'm just trying to understand--

Q:  There is no trying necessary; you understand what you need to
understand.

Q:  0kay.  Help me understand why people can understand what you are saying
and, believe in it.

B:  Understand it is not a matter that they believe what I am saying.
It is that they believe what they are saying to themselves, and I am
only reflecting what they already know.  You follow me?

Q:  No.

B:   All right.  You know what you know, yes?

Q:   Correct.

B:   Understand what the service is that we are providing: it is to
reflect to you that you already know everything you need to know.  You
do not need us.  I will be doing a perfect job when you do not need me,
when you understand that we are here to assist you to be equal to
everything that there is in creation.  You can choose what you wish to
believe; you always do.  You do not have to believe me.  It does not
matter to us what you believe.  Only that you know that whatever it is
you choose to believe, you understand that it is responsible for the
creation of whatever physical reality you experience. ... You are
creating your reality.  Do you follow that idea?

Q:  Yes, and I guess that brought something to my mind, specifically.
You talk about dimensions.  What does that mean?

B:  It can mean many things.  First of all it is one way, a vernacular,
a label, to say that there is a separation, a separation of vibrational
resonance.  You can make an analogy with your visible light.  You have
visible light and you have light that you cannot see. You may therefore
understand that the reason you can see some light and cannot see other
light is because of the rate of their vibration.  All reality that you call
physical is of this nature, and it all vibrates at different rates.  Some
of it you will perceive and some of it you will not.
Usually those that are realities that you do not physically perceive as
this one are ascribed to what you call other realities or other
dimensions of All That Is, or within All That Is.  Will that have
clarified the idea to some degree?

Q:  Yes. So I guess your saying what I think is a reality....

B:  What you believe!

Q:     ...is what I need to know.  What I believe.  The idea of
dimensions: wouldn't I need to know about those?

B:  That is up to you.  Do you feel you need to?  Understand this: many
individuals create their lives and go about their business being
perfectly happy, and do not know one shred of what you call metaphysics,
and do not care to.  But they are functioning within themselves, and acting
according to the idea they chose to be anyway.  You do not have to know
these things to be able to live.  It is up to you what you wish to know
about who and what you are.
     Therefore it is not a matter of needing to know anything.  You will
know what you need to know for whatever it is you are choosing to do.
And you will find that you are an automatic creator.  As you create your
reality, you will automatically attract to yourself those things which
you do feel you require.  Therefore, for example, the idea that we are
discussing this right now is an indication to you that you do wish to
know something about it or you would not be here.  For I would not have
attracted someone who had not created in himself an idea they he wished to
know this and share it with me.

And you would not have attracted to you someone who would be willing to
discuss it with you if you did not wish to co-create that reality with me.
Therefore, let your physical reality be an obvious reflection of
what it is you believe your reality should be.
    At any moment you can change your mind!  You can say, "All right, I
understand about dimensions; no need for any more of that."  Or you can
say, "Well, this interests me, I think I will research some more of this
idea--by talking to different individuals, by reading books, by watching
films, doing whatever it is you feel is your creative way to allow yourself
to know whatever it is you think you need to know.

Q:  This is kind of different, but what I do believe is...in Jesus
Christ as our savior.


B:  What does that mean?

Q:  What does that mean?

B:  Yes. When you say you believe in Jesus Christ, what does that mean?

Q:  That means that I believe in God who created the universe including all
of us...

B:  Yes.

Q:  ...and that we are all sinners, Jesus....

B:  One moment!  All right.  You believe you are a sinner?

Q:  Yes.

B:   What is a sinner?  Will you define this for me--since it is outside
the concept of my society?

Q:  You never heard of sin before?

B:  We understand your concept.  We have not heard the concept from you,
however.  And you are a unique facet of All That Is, expressing it in your
own way.  Therefore, if you would define for me the concept of the idea you
call "sinner" as it relates to how you see yourself.

Q:  A sin for me is anything that I would do or think that goes against
something God would want.

B:  What does God want?

Q: God wants...I guess very simply in order to answer it  in the time
limit allowed here...God wants unconditional love in all situations.
And anytime I don't do that...

B:  One moment!  One moment.  Did you say unconditional love?

Q:  Exactly.

B:  Unconditional?  Do you understand what that means?

Q:  (pause)  I understand it to mean that as far as people...whom I'm
suppose to unconditionally love, for example the people in here...no
matter who they are or what they have done, as far as I am concerned I
love them because God loves them.

B:  All right.

Q:  I have no right to overrule that.

B:  Alright.  Now, you know that you can create the reality of
overruling it, but we understand what you mean when you say you have no
right.  You do have the right, because you can do it.  But that does not
mean that is something you'd want to do, anything you can do, you have a
right to do in the sense that you can do it because you are also the
creator.
    Again, we are not suggesting this is what you want to do.  Nor are
we suggesting that this is something that would create harmony on your
world.  No.  But simply take yourself literally.  It is not a matter of
whether or not you have the right to do it; you can do it because you
know people have done it.  People have very blatantly judged other
people.  Is this not so?

Q:  That is correct.

B:  All right.  Because they can do it, it is not a matter of whether or
not they have the right to do it.

Q:  Is it wrong?

B:  There is no right and wrong.  It is a matter of whether you choose
to create a positively manifesting reality or a negatively manifesting
reality.

Q:  Which would you suggest?

B:  I would suggest the positive one.  Because choosing the positively
manifesting reality will be integrating yourself with All That Is; and
therefore knowing yourself as the Creator and allowing the Creator to
know you.  Whereas a negatively manifesting reality is to separate the
idea of yourself from All That Is--to isolate, to create an idea of
isolation, that does not allow you to feel your connection to All That
Is, and leads to the need to dominate.  For that will be, when you
separate yourself from All That Is, the only way that you will feel you
can collect what you see around you, to you--to dominate and control
it.  Thus you create many ideas out of separation and negative
manifestation that are, in your terms, unpleasant.  Disease and many
other ideas that you say you do not like.  This is why we would suggest
positive manifestation.
  However, recognize that we perceive the idea of judgment, in and of
itself, to be of the negative manifestation.  Thus we do not say
anything is right or wrong, because that to us is to judge All That Is.
To us even the idea of judgment is the choosing of the negative.  Now,
you can know what you prefer.  To know what you prefer does not mean that
you have to judge or invalidate anyone else, in terms of the way that
individual chose to explore his own Godhood, to relate to himself as his
portion of All That is.  If he has chosen separation, negative reality,
limitation, judgment--then it will be less likely that he will perceive his
connection to All That Is.
  However, one who is integrated has already chosen the idea of
unconditional love, and will recognize that there is no need to judge
those who have not chosen it.  For unconditional love is the granting of
validity to everything within Creation for its own sake.  Because that
portion of creation has seen fit to learn about itself in the way it has
chosen, then you, in choosing unconditional love, generate the faith and
the trust to know that in an ultimate sense he is always going to be all
right, because ultimately every idea is still contained within the
overall idea of All That Is, and cannot become lost, there is nowhere to
lose anything to--until you create that type of separation.  There is
nowhere to lose anything to until you, in choosing negativity and
limitation and separation from yourself as All That Is, choose to create
a dimension in which you can remove yourself from the rest of
everything.  You follow me?


Q:    Mmmm....  Yes you do.  Any idea that you call a lost soul is a
contradiction in terms.  A soul always knows where it is.

Q:  What do you mean by a lost soul?

B:  The idea we are ascribing to many individuals expressing the
specific ritualized expressing through which they channel the idea of
their love many times, even though they express it to be unconditional,
still comes with conditions.  We are not saying this is your case.  We
are saying that are relating to the terminology that you are using, by
being so specific about what you have described as the Pray you believe and
what you have called being a sinner--which by your ultimate definition
means someone who is outside--has placed himself outside-of his recognition
of himself as God.

Q:  My recognition of myself as God.

B:  Yes.

Q:  I'm God?  I?

B:  Of course.  Understand this is what we are talking about: many of
your beliefs or religions upon your planet speak of the idea of God--or
what we call AII that Is--as being omnipotent.  Everywhere, all-knowing;
omniscient and all-seeing--everything, everywhere.  Now if God by your
definition is everything, how can you be outside of it?  You must also be
God; God must also be you.  Now, God knows that you are God.  Why do you
not know that you are God?

Q: Well, I say I create a model?  Of what?  Of an airplane?

B:   All right.

Q:  I create and put it in together, but it's not me.

B:  Yes, it is.  Understand that what you experience as your physical
reality is all a symbol.  If you wish to use the term illusion, all
right; that may clarify it for you.

Q:  Well, doesn't that illusion, or symbol--it needs a representation,
does it not?

B:  It is a representation of an idea.

Q:  (If you are an idea of making the plane, then you are the plane,
too.  Whatever idea you have, you are that idea.)

B:  Yes.  You understand that everything in your universe is a matter,
physically, of vibration.  You cannot perceive anything that you are
not.  The vibration that you are creates what you perceive the physical
reality to be.  Thus, if you have created this idea of a model airplane
in front of you, then you are extending a portion of the idea of
yourself and reflecting it back to yourself as the ability to do that
outside yourself, seemingly.  But everything you perceive, every
individual in the room, is your creation. You have to create your
version of them in order to perceive them. You follow me?

Q: Kind of.  If I am dedicating my life to following Jesus Christ....

B:  Why would you want to do that?  He did not want you to do that.

Q:  He did not want me to do that?

B:  No.  He does not want you to follow him; he wants you to be like
him.

Q:  Well, that's kind of what I mean.

B:  Well, say what you mean.  Understand that your terminology is what we
were discussing; that upon your planet many times the terminology you
choose does reflect how you go about relating to the ideas you think you
believe in.  And in this case you are saying that by following someone, you
are separating yourself and making yourself less than, rather than being
equal to...which is what he wanted you to know.  That all of you are Christ
consciousness like he is.  The idea of what you have referred to in your
society of the "Second Coming" is not the coming of an individual.  It is
the recognition within each individual upon your
planet of the Christ that each and every one of you are ... and living
like it. That is your second coming.

Q:  Well, when Jesus--I don't know if he said it; you might know--(Some
chuckling in audience)  Well I'm serious.  He might not.

B:  Proceed.

Q:  But he said, "I am the way, the truth and the life.  No one comes to
the father but through me."  What did he mean by that?


B:  The idea is this: he was saying, to paraphrase, as you understand
your language now, "What you perceive in me is the vibration of
integration, wherein I know myself to be on the same level, equal to
God, All That Is.  The only way that you will know yourself to be that
idea is to be like me, be of the equal vibration of recognizing yourself
as All That Is.  That is why he said, "I am the way."  He did not mean,
"I know the only thing that will get you there."  He simply meant that
you, in allowing yourself to know that everything you do is valid in the
overall sense, are granting support and service and validity to the
ultimate idea of the Creation itself, and recognizing your own equality
to Godhood, that is being the way.


Q:  You say something--and people kind of laughed when you said, "He didn't
say I know the only way."  But he said, "I am the way, the truth and the
life.  No one comes to the father but through me."

B:  Understand this as well: what you are calling your biblical
literature contains less than 10% of what that individual ever said in
his life; and what was even written down is very much misinterpreted,
according to the understanding of when it was written.  Recognize that
your bible was not written to record history; it was written to convert.



Q:  Is the Bible not true?


B:  Therefore, ultimate truth as a concept, purpose as a concept, are
things that exist within existence; and existence existed before there
was the concept of purpose. That which exists before the concept of
purpose does not need a purpose to keep on existing.  Thus All That Is will
be all that is in all the ways it can be, simply for no other
reason, no other purpose, other than it can because it is the Creator.
And the Creator creates... simply because it can.
    Your symbols are valid for you.  You have changed your mind before, and
you will change your mind again about what symbols are relevant in the
understanding of who and what you are.  It does not matter in the overall
sense what you choose to believe.  If you know that you are
believing what you are believing out of unconditional love for All That
Is, and also equally important, unconditional love for yourself, then
there is no need to worry about what you believe.  There is no need to
worry about what anyone believes.  Because you know that whatever you
believe is going to create the type of reality that you will
experience.  And experience that, you will.

Q:  The only thing that I would like to say--I know other people have
stuff to say--so I'll finish the set.  If that's what you believe , what
you're missing is a relationship with the God that made you.

B:  Why?  Understand again, you are missing yourself the idea that I
perceive both ideas.  I contain the totality of the dichotomy of the
polarity of the seeming opposites.  I know myself to be All That Is; and
I also know that All That Is relates to me as a higher consciousness.  I
can create the idea of knowing I have a relationship with All That Is;
at the same time I can also see myself as the one creating that
relationship, and therefore being All That Is.  To me this is not
something which is mutually exclusive.
     I can create whatever sense of relationship I wish; and I know that
whatever sense of relationship I create is still going to be as real as
any other sense of, relationship that I choose to create.  And for me
all of it is valid, and all of it is being created out of joy and ecstasy
and unconditional love, the expression of the same unconditional love that
the Creator created us to be.  That is how I perceive the relationship. I
am always in the relationship of All That Is, within joy, love and ecstasy.
 For us in our civilization the feeling of this
ecstasy is the expression and the experience of what you me defining as the
sense of that relationship.

Q:  Why is that not happening here?


B:  Because for the past 25,000 years--approximately of your time--you
have chosen as a group consciousness to explore the idea of separating
yourselves from your memory of being All That Is.  And now you are turning
over a new idea.  You me through with the separation, and that is why you
are creating this idea you call a new age of understanding, a new age of
awareness--in light and love.

Q:  Well, who is doing that?

B:   You all are.

Q:  These 40 people?  There's been....

B:  No.  The entire planet.  Or you would not be on it. Because that is
the idea of this planet that you are on: to create the transformation; to
begin to recognize yourselves as All That Is and create.  Because now that
you know you are the creator, peace, harmony, light and love can result.
Understand: you do not get peace by hating war; you get peace by loving
peace.  Now you are through with the tool of separation.  And within the
next span, as you count time, of approximately 30 to 50 of  your years, all
of your civilization will also recognize this.  For when you create
separation, you create the experience more time. And that is why the
experience of experiencing all the limitation and separation has taken
25,000 years.
When you now choose to create the idea of integration, of knowing
yourselves to be All That Is, then this experience can be played out upon
your planet in a mere 2 to 3,000 years. And after that point you
will not need to reincarnate upon this planet, for it will have served its
purpose for you.  You will move on to something else.

Q:  Back to when you were talking--when I said, "big deal," and everybody
kind of agreed with that...

B:  They simply recognized that you were quoting something we have said
many times.

Q:  Okay.  Now this is my first time.  And from what you are saying, I can
leave here knowing that whatever I choose to do would be all right.  So now
what I know I want to know is, why would anyone want to come back, if
that's what they know?

B:  Maybe simply because they enjoy the situation.  Recognize that they do
not have to come hack, and many do not.

Q:  Why do you come back?


B:  Why do I come back?

Q:  No, no.  I'm talking to these people here.  (Because it's fun.) Because
when you ask certain questions, it brings up questions in me--like I have a
very (--?) questions, it brings up questions in me--like I have a very (--
?) question I want to ask him because of what you talked about.  But a lot
of times I come here, and I don't think about specific questions, but that
when I'm around this group of people, brings stuff out in me that I want
answered.)
Well, what you already know is simply that what you choose to do is okay.
So why do you need a question answered?

B:  It is not so much that they need a question answered.  There can also
be the equality of sharing. When you know what you know, you can share--
because you have created yourselves to be a physical planet, and you have
created the idea that you are separate beings, and you have created the
idea that you can communicate different ideas.
That might seem like fun.  You may not have considered it from this
viewpoint, so this is an opportunity for sharing, for blending, for
appreciating all the different ways that All That Is has of expressing
itself through all the different people that you are.  Every one of you is
a different path, is a different way. If there were only way to do
something, there would only be one person.  Therefore, many individuals are
simply taking advantage of the richness of the experience of All
That Is expressing itself through all the different beings that you are,
and they enjoy the sharing in that way. It shows and reflects to each
individual different portions of himself he may not have been willing to
consider in exactly that way; and for him it is a joyful experience of
integration.  That is why he chooses to come back.
   But understand: it is not the original person who comes back.  Every
being that comes back again and again and again is a new complete being, a
new complete idea of him or herself, and a new complete universe.  It is
not the same person.  No one comes back.  Everyone here is new, even if
they have been here 40,000 times.

Q:  So what happens when we die?

B:  Many different things.  You will, first of all, obviously no longer
consider yourself to be physical, as you now understand physicality.

Q:   When you physically die; that's what I'm talking about.  When you
physically die?

B:  Many different things.

Q:  We come back here.

B:  You can; you do not have to.  There can be, in that state of being
when you remove yourself from the idea of the physical reality--as you
have created it to be a limiting one--when you remove yourself from that
physical state of limitation, then you will know that you chose
everything that you experienced in that life, and that you can create
any other type of reality on this planet, or any other planet--or not
reincarnate at all.  You can choose to know in that level, and see very
obviously that you are, in fact, the creator.

Q:  So then I would no longer be reincarnated?


B:  You do not have to be.  It is always a choice.  Now, since you are
here, I will assume that you chose to reincarnate at least one more
time.

Q:  Why do you say that?

B:  Since you are here, this time.  Not one more time after this; this
time.

Q:  Into this lifetime right now?

B:  Yes, yes, yes.

Q:  Well, it's not my first one?

B:  No.  There is on the average 2 to 3,000 lives for every individual in
the room, with regard to the particular Earth cycle you are now involved
in, during the last 50,000 or so of your years.

Q:  So why?

B:  Why not?   Because you chose to.   Because you chose to explore the
idea of limitation as it is being expressed on this planet.  And to do so,
you chose to manifest yourself in many different lives; to explore all the
different ideas that you can explore in being in this society.
You have been everything there is to be in this society at one time or
another--sometimes more than one time.  Everything.  Now this is now the
transformational life.  And this life can be the last physical life you may
choose in this cycle, since the cycle is now over and turning into another
cycle.

B:  Yes!

Q:  I been reading a lot on the last years of Jesus.  And I want to know
the period in time when the Bible--that information that was erased from
it.  Where he went.  Did he go to India instead of (--?), and that's why he
came back and--?

B:  There was the idea of travel to the area of India.

Q:  What age?

B:  We perceive that there was a connection at age 17; also age 30,
approximately.  Also the area you call Egypt.  Also the idea of many out-of-
body experiences to travel many different places other than that.
Recognize that what that being was allowing himself to recognize was his
own Godhood, his own Christ consciousness.  And was simply reflecting to
you....

Q:  That we can do it to?

B:  Yes.

Q:  Great.

B:  Yes, yes.

Q:  When you repeat exactly what he said, that reveals the whole thing.  "I
am the way, the truth, and the life."  (--?) Repeat that, that's
every....

B:  Very good. Yes, if you repeat it and mean it for yourself, yes.

Q:  That's it.  There's no debate there.

B:  No big mystery.

Q:  Yes, it's self-evident.

B:  Yes.  You see, that is why we are saying do what he did, not follow.
For if you follow, then you wind up saying, "He said this; he said that,"
rather than simply repeating what he said and feeling the vibration within
yourself for what it gives you.

Q:  We are the ways the truths and the lives.

B:  Yes!

Q:  Bashar.

B:  Briefly.

Q:  Okay, so far everything you been saying is--I've never been to one of
these sessions before.  So far everything you've been saying is perfectly
understandable to me.  I understand exactly what you've been talking about.
 Does that mean that I've spent more lifetimes working on these answers?
Is that why it's clear to me, and may be unclear to other people?

B:  Can be; it does not have to be.  Understand that whatever purpose you
created this life to be will delegate what type of understanding you have
about anything you have in it. It does not have to be connected to the idea
you call past lives, because you are creating your past and your future
from the present-since the present is always the only time in which you
exist.